Jameson Irish Whiskey is produced in Midleton, Ireland, though the original home of the brand is in Dublin. As an American, am I being disloyal to Scotland when I drink Jamesons? To complicate the issue even more, Bushmills has been owned by a big drinks corporation since 1972 (first Irish Distillers, now Diageo), but before then it was owned by a Scottish Jew! Comment The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. Nostrovia!! there was thought to be up towards 25 distilleries in this town at one time. There was an Irish-American lobby group headed by a politician that was running for mayor that started a whole anti-Bushmills campaign in San Francisco in the early 90s claiming that the company never hired Catholics, a convenient attract Irish-American votes. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? Irish for the whiskey Im not sure if this is truth or myth but I cannot drink Bushmills due to there even being a chance of truth in that because of the awful stories I heard about those F&[emailprotected]$&$ convicts (the black and tans) the Brits let loose on the people of Ireland. Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean) | It makes things interesting. I do drink whatever. Those whiskeys seem to get along just fine! The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. The episodes of violence associated with both Protestant and Catholic troops in the . Whiskey takes no sides and is drank by all Catholic, Protestant, Hebrew, Atheist, etc. They also bottle Powers & Paddys as well. Over and out. Spent a crap of $$$ too so we could compare them all side by side. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: @Matt: sorry to hear about religious intolerance in West Virginia but this is a discussion about the distilling history of Irish whiskey, not moonshine. He was, I believe, top dog in the Orange Order: the vehemently anti-Catholic organization whose best-known figure is the frightening demagogue the Rev. We were up near Bushmills this past summer during our Ireland vacation (on our way from Belfast to The Causeway) and our Tipperary-based guide recommended not stopping there due to the companys historic treatment of Catholics. They are just businesses making whiskey. It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. It is calles an ORANGEMANhas nothing to do with Syracuse University. Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general . It is the oldest licensed distillery by 200 years and was once owned by a Belfast barman who get this was a teetotaller and secretly wrote religous tracts damning the Demon Drink! An Italian friend, when introduced to the term Uiske Beatha thought the word was bad water and now refers to it as Aqua Sporca or dirty water. Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. The town of Bushmills is a black hole. Id suggest Tullamore Dew, it was founded by Catholics and is still owned by a nice Irish Catholic company. Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . Im married to a Protestant and my best friend and fellow whiskey hound is a also one. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about jeff. Funny how these things work out, innit? The word "catholic" means "all-embracing," and the Catholic Church sees itself as the only . As a proud Corkonian, I feel the need to set the record straight. West Virginia is the only U.S state where you can legally handle venomous serpents to prove your faith. Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. The spelling of whisk(e)y is actually a bit up in the air as far as that pesky e goes. Ginger cake, brazil nuts, treacle Redbreast is my favorite but I only buy a bottle or so a year. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys? Ill take one next time Im out. Also absolutely no one gave a rats ass what my religion is & Dublin is currently commemorating the Easter Rising centennial! Wow, not one mention of Tullamore Dew. I got into Powers through my wife, ans she learned of it from Shane MacGowan(s music). Powers Gold Label is the best-selling Irish whiskey in its native Ireland. During this period, when the Dublin whiskey distilleries were amongst the largest in the world, the family-run firms of John Power, along with John Jameson, William Jameson, and George Roe, (collectively known as the "Big Four") came to dominate the Irish distilling landscape, introducing several innovations. I like it very much and find it very smoothalmost like a scotch. However, its all moot now as the French reap the profits in the end , Jameson, Bushmills, Tullemore, Red Breast, Powers. . Privacy Policy | I come from the border and powers was the biggest seller by ten to one over any other whiskey,jemmy was next ,bush mills was not even on the optics and it was all about their hiring practices of workers and not the religion of their owners, @jen Yep, he was referring to a certain product from Bushmills.. Why not stop purchasing rum to protest Spanish aggression while you are at it. Right. It resulted in the creation of a branch of Christianity called Protestantism, a name used collectively to refer to the many religious groups that separated from the Roman Catholic Church due to differences in doctrine. In all the pubs in NYC, no one seemed to really care that I noticed from either side of the bar. The Roman Catholic church developed its dogma based on the issues brought forth by the . The new distillery opened in 1975, and a year later, production ceased at John's Lane Distillery and began anew in Cork,[1] with Powers Gold Label and many other Irish whiskeys reformulated from single pot stills whiskeys to blends. With regard to Powers Gold Label: I bought a bottle last week after reading about how decent a drink it was. Redbreast makes for good sipping but for my budget Powers is my standby. Roman Catholic influence on the whiskey world doesn't end with Henry VIII, however. [4] In addition, Barnard was high in his praise for Powers whiskey, noting:[4]. The plantation of Ulster started in 1609, and BTW that very same King (James I) planted the Jamestown settlement in Virginia two year previous in 1607. [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. stupid fucks In response, Guzzi This bill . Catholics represented the unstable Republican persona and therefore the company hired few people from the catholic areas. Today in Trader Joes, the checker looked at my bottle of Bushmills and then at me and asked, Catholic or Protestant? I had never heard that one before. @Darby OGill. I grew up in a so-called Protestant area in west County Down where nobody really cares what you are. Jameson was pretty much founded in 1780 when John Jameson a Scottish guy purchased the Bow Street Distillery, which at the time was one of the biggest distilleries in Ireland. Patrick Irish whiskey tends to be a lighter style of whiskey than Scotch or American whiskies, but that doesnt mean its necessarily lower in quality. Not what religion you think a whiskey holds. In true Irish US tradition, my son is a cop and we will drink any Irish whiskey all of which are superior to Scotch. But there was a bar that had a shot of Powers and a Guinness for $7, so as you can guess I ended up drinking quite a bit of it. Arthur Guinness was definitely Protestant And a Unionist. He was adamantly against Home Rule as well. The old make, which we drank with our luncheon, was delicious, and finer than anything we had hitherto tasted. What can one expect from people who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life? I even stayed in what was one of the hotbed cities during the troubles. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. Now I need to locate Redbreast! I just brought some Tyrconnell 10-year port cask aged home from duty free it is delicious. Literal Meaning. The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. Catholic powers praised the killings, and the French Protestant cause saw a wave of exile and conversions. @Darby )Gill: What a load of nonsense! But it was mentioned in passing at several rural pubs in co. Mayo and Sligo that Bushmills was loyalist swill, all in good fun Im sure but its not limited to plastic paddies. Your email address will not be published. Upon this one should decide which whiskey they prefer, and not upon any religous matter. Whiskey is Catholic. [8] In addition, three of the distillery's pot stills were saved and now located in the college's Red Square.[8]. Although some Protestants continued to make and sell alcohol, and many more consumed it, the pressure was . It was as perfect in flavour, and as pronounced in the ancient aroma of Irish Whisky so dear to the hearts of connoisseurs, as one could possibly desire, and we found a small flask of it very useful afterwards on our travels. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. This article is based on a paper delivered at the American Catholic Historical Association conference We dont live in the dark ages anymore, though clearly prejudice and ignorance persist. But until 2005 BOTH distilleries were owned by Pernod-Ricard. This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. John Jameson was Pentecostal. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. Wow, this was such a fun read through. Im an Irish barman and I am stunned by the ignorant waffle that some Irish Americans spew about the oul sod. I am pretty sure that if you visited the Guinness brewery in Dublin your guide would not have mentioned the fact about the companys discrimination against Catholics, let alone advise on boycotting it. Not sure this is the right spot, but an Irish colleague and I, had this debate last week around Bushmills v Jameson in an Irish pub, here in New York. [1] History [ edit] Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. Now as far as whiskey goes, Im a newbie to Irish stuff but tend to love it all since I am a hard drinker for 6 plus decades. I love Redbreast and always have a bottle about, but based on some comments here Ill definitely be picking up a bottle of Powers Gold Label. I became a Whiskey drinker a few years back now, and started with Jameson. And let us not forget the new cask finishes of The Tyrconnell. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. The regular is fine; the Black Bush is nice if maybe too refined for me when I want a dram of Irish. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. But that's merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork - Catholic country. @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. Corvallisbarman is half right. Powers Gold Label is also wonderful and dirt cheap. DONT EVER ask an Irish person , north or south if they are catholic or protestant because they will look at you with contempt. Im redbreast girl too, but recently been sipping on the Bushmills 10, thought now Im interested to try Powers Gold Label! When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. Talk about confused. The new bottling hall is also taking shape even though itll be a while before the on site whiskey will be bottled. I generally have several bottles of Irish on hand. Bushmills on one end, Jamesons on the other. Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. No coffee or anything green. It is all quite harmonious between the distilleries. Drink which ever you palette desires!! Theres Whiskey and a prod or a catholic will drink it either way. And it was always welcomed as a special Balkan business bestowal, to grease whatever wheels needed turning. ** Bushmills isnt produed deep in the heart of protestant country its produced on the north coast which is mixed catholic and protestant, sure the catholic stronghold Glens of Antrim are down the road. The good news is I dont have to worry about car bomb in Hicktown. Im Irish American and I volunteered for both Sinn Fin and Irish Northern aide. One of the best whiskys I have ever drank. Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! There is only one Catholic church in my town the rest are Baptist or other protestant. Ive lost members of my family to the IRA in THIS generation. I am not surprised that this thread is 6 years old and still going strong. We were servedcorned beef and cabbage with California wine and a shot of Paddy cut with Baileys after dinner. Concept of Deity. Protestant - to 'protest'. And to those who dont know, that hint of bourbon flavor comes from the fact that Jamesons is aged in used American bourbon barrels as are most Irish whiskeys. [6] In 1855, his son Sir James Power, laid the foundation stone for the O'Connell Monument,[3] and in 1859 became High Sheriff of Dublin. The root of this myth lies in the fact that Bushmills is located in the predominately Protestant and still British Northern Ireland. Looking for Irish Whiskey to use in a recipe for bread pudding I paid a visit to our local liquor store and inquired as to the best Irish Whiskey available. It is about the spirit in the bottle, not in a church. This is wayyyy late, and I apologize, but the record needed to be set straight. Never once was I presented with a this is the north, or this is Ireland like many seem to believe in the States. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. I was raised Catholic by my mother after the parents divorced when I was three. This is mildly off topic, but does anyone else find Jameson to be similar in many ways to Wild Turkey bourbon? I serve it in Texas to my St. Patricks day guests and several times a year otherwise. I no longer consider myself Catholic, btw. Though it is good to remember that Bushmills & Jameson were selling about even worldwide up until the mid/late 1990s, before Pernod decided to put all of its eggs in the Jameson basket. And I was not drunk !!! Its summer here in Oregon, which means barbecues, camping trips and river floats are on the agenda for the next few months. For the record I have had many a session all over the island both North and south. I come from an island which has been called the most Irish place outside of Ireland and weve had our papist-loyalist troubles in the past, where they will remain. catholic - from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning "universal". Jameson is a blended potstill whiskey (malted + Unmalted grain blended with grain whiskey). red breast is my favorite single pot still whisky!! One happens to be located in a majority Protestant area and one located in a majority Catholic area, big deal! [1], Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. Whiskey is Irish, whatever brand (or religion), followed by Americans (as in bourbon whiskey etc.). Raised going to church every goddamned Sunday. Irish whiskeys obtain much of their flavor and color from the coating left inside the barrel from the bourbon aging process. Just setting the record straight. A fair amount of nonsense in some of these replies. Really liked Knockando but I havent seen it around in some time. I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. I see. Enough said I thought, and bought the next round. The difference between the two has to do with the history of whiskey production in Ireland. To this day, even though IDL sold the Bushmills distillery to Diageo a number of years ago, the bottling facility at Bushmills still handles some of the bottling of Jameson, Powers & Paddys. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy . I noticed a little uncertainty about spelling in the story. As the rain pummels the ground here in the Pacific Northwest, a little window of blue sky nestled between two dark clouds in the neighboring distance makes me wish I were watching the rain fall from across a dark ocean, my little Caribbean fishing, Update! hint of linseed. Support the old sod. Oh and Bushmills was NOT licensed to distill in 1608Thats marketing Bullshit. It all comes down to politics in the grand scheme of things, be you Yank or Paddy. The Protestant Reformation was a religious, social, economic, and political revolution that was sparked when a Catholic monk named Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of his local . I visited Bushmills Distillery, and they were bottling both Bushmills and Jameson in the same facility!! Yup, only the americans give a shit about this stuff anymore. In particular the 1951 offering of which Ive never tasted its superior. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. So by your logic it is fair to say that Every time you raise a glass of American Bourbon you are in essence raising a glass to an Native American losing his land (and in MOST cases his life) to British/American rule! History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. Religion and booze dont go well together so its a subject that perhaps should be avoided. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. Prefer the Irish whiskeys but never met a single malt I didnt savor. Finish This was the time when Protestantism, through its definitive break with Roman Catholicism, arose to take its place on the Christian map. I always love showing up with a gallon jug of pre-mixed margaritas for the party, so Ive. It's been going on for thousands of years across the globe. Do not place them next to each other. Click here to learn how to make this and other drinks for a slushie machine! When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. A bunch of bigoted b######s arguing over the religion of whiskey. Very easy arrangement. Not enough time to read through comments. The Thirty Years' War was a series of wars in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. It has shaped Ireland's agriculture, literature, song and now, more than ever - our economy.. OK, OK, can be pretty good and certainly much cheaper. Peter Knox hit the nail on the head in #103 & Hey Bartender is right, giving a crap about what religion founded a whiskeys distillery is about as authentically Irish as corned beefFYI: not a single Irish person I spoke to knew had ever heard of corned beef, it wasnt in the grocery stores & certainly not on any menus. Hi all, please dont reinforce past troubles by making brand choices based on hatred. Thank you for the real-world experience! If they do in fact have a Catholic Master Distiller, he is probably just the token worker. lol. This is excellent. Its an American argument that doesnt carry weight here, whiskey is whiskey. But none of it means much, anyway: both distilleries are owned by huge international entities: Jameson by French liquor conglomerate Pernod-Ricard, and Bushmills by the English firm Diageo. (typically with the dots de-emphasised using colour and font size), is a brand of Irish whiskey produced by William Grant & Sons. I live in a small town in Texas, I am Catholic and I am treated as if I am a leper. This is because Guinness is now seen as a world-wide iconic Irish brand and brings in lots of money to the southern Irish economy. Im sorry but if not drinking a brand of whiskey for some very spurious political reason, and claiming drinking Bushmills somehow condones an Irishman losing his land seems pretty idiotic to me. Now, go have some grappa with an espresso this evening. And we should all be thankful for this. However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. Big thank you to reader Jonathan for providing this informative link about this. It has been my favorite since discovering it at the Buena Vista Cafe in San Francisco. I completely understand what Matt is saying regarding religious intolerence. [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. And good whiskey. 1. And if you just like something different then Cooleys your distillery (though that Michael Collins stuff is shite). Not one of ya mentions Knappogue Castle. @Burnsy and Andrew: I dont drink Guiness or Jameson (for those particular reasons) I drink Paddys or Powers Whiskey and Murphys Stout!!!! I am also a fan of Tullemore and Black Bush. ! Idiot!! My hat is off to you, for your spookily informative collection of posts. . Thank you everyone for the new rea, Finally home from three wonderful days in Berlin a, When life gives you fresh passionfruits. Asked the guide about it. No matter where it is produced. I was born in buncrana moved to Derry then to Belfast and am now living in the uk Im Catholic and I must say I prefer Bushmills to Jamesons although Ive been a life Long fan of Jamesons it doesnt matter whether your Hun or teag drink what you like dont bring sectarianism into it itll spoil the taste. Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. 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